rand paul and his tea party as well as senator marco rubio here. a lot of people are saying it is so linked to border security that we won't deal with the problem of immigration. >> that are has been the case in the past. they link it to enforce am. it's a stalling technique that they set new goals and can never be met and never go forward with comprehensive reform. as much as i do support the dreamers and the rights of the immigrants, it seemed that the hearings, the timing was off in interrupting janet napolitano's questioning. she had a very important point to make as a former governor and current head of dhs. our borders have never been stronger. that was a terrific point. >> people are not coming into this country because there no jobs. it's part of the recession, right? >> the magnet has been jobs. it's a chicken and egg game. do we need to secure the borders first or jobs? most agree we need a solution. we go around and around in this type of game. >> michael was on a second ago with the daily beast. we were talking about the odds of what th